A polluted trust web

Back when I was heavily experimenting with LinkedIn, I was somewhat frustrated about how slowly my network was growing. That is, people that I linked weren't linking in people that they knew, so it was mainly filled with people that I already knew.

One of the great things that came about from that spate of experimentation was a connection with Andrew Jones. I hesitated about asking him to connect with me directly, since we had only communicated via email, and he was (quick calculation...Evan -> Brendon -> Andrew) 3 degrees away from me. But in the end, I was "linked" to Andrew.

I just recently went back to my LinkedIn page, and found it polluted! Filled with page after page of people that were so far removed, with so many other links, that I would never think of contacting them. So, I think I'm in favour of short-chain links -- they are more valuable. You can search by "degrees away", but that is also only useful if all the links are actually strong links. That is, I would never link in someone that I didn't really know or had some direct interaction with.

What actually prompted me to write was Dan York's most recent (27 Jul 2003) diary entry, where he talks about similar issues with key signing.

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elsewhere...

Six degrees of separation or
unification?
(Kuroshin)
By
eszter, Sat Aug 2nd 2003 at
03:45:57 AM EST

Every Internet user knows that the
network helps us easily connect with numerous people across wide distances. Over
the years, various services have sprung up to facilitate such connections. But
is it always a good idea to join such social networks? Is bigger always
better?

There has been an increasing amount of discussion recently about Friendster, a relatively new online
service based on connecting people to others through their existing social
networks. The service has been enthusiastically covered by the likes of The Village Voice,
and Slate describing how Friendster is
the newest great social - and procrastinatory - tool given all the information
one can glean about people in one's social circles through the service. Since
newspapers specialize in covering the news not the olds perhaps it is not
surprising that they will always want to find a new twist on something even if
it is simply the repetition of something old. But Web sites like this existed in
the past and had trouble surviving. SixDegrees and PlanetAll were two extremely
similar services in the 1990s, but both were victims of the Internet bust and
ceased operations years ago despite the fact that they had as many users are
Friendster does today.

Many express much excitement about Friendster and even claim that it is the
next Google in online popularity and importance. I do not share this enthusiasm
and here is why.

People tend to focus on the seemingly fun and useful aspects of Friendster.
However, it can have serious shortcomings. Beyond the more obvious concerns
regarding the truthfulness of information conveyed on the sites (the most
extreme but quite transparent version of which are the bogus accounts of Jesus
and God that people have created), networks like this can dilute the importance
of social ties and can lead to uncomfortable situations when acquaintances from
different parts of one's social circles intermingle.

It may be a good idea to take care in signing up to such a service and
indiscriminately adding "friends" because it is not always ideal for different
networks of one's life to intertwine too much. We are all members of various
social groups. We have family ties, workplace ties, friends from childhood,
friends from high school, from college, possibly graduate school, not to mention
our myriad of other social relations through other affiliations. There may be
reasons people don't want to see these different worlds overlap too much.

A fairly obvious case is a person who is not very open about a particular
aspect of her identity (e.g. sexuality, religious affiliation, political
convictions) in one realm of her life, say at work, but has a group of friends
who are very clear about that part of her identity. Does she necessarily want
these different worlds intertwining endlessly? Even if someone does not have any
major hidden identities, we all play different social roles depending on the
situation and people around us so things can get complicated if these
criss-cross too much without boundaries. Even if you think you are one of those
people who has nothing to hide and who behaves exactly the same everywhere, just
think about interactions between you and your parents, you and your boss, you
and your closest friends, these are not fully interchangeable no matter who you
are and how you live your life. (See Irving Goffman's
Presentation of Self in Everyday Life
and George Herbert Mead's Mind,
Self and Society
for some basics on this.)

Another problem with the service is that it is unclear what criteria people
use to approve others as "friends". I suspect many people approve most of those
who get in touch with them because it would be rude not to do so. Moreover, in
so far as people are trying to build a bigger network - which is probably not
the case for all users, but likely for many - it is to their advantage to create
additional "friendship" ties. But if these links are not very strong then a
second or third-level tie will be extremely weak and it is not clear how
beneficial it would be to anyone. How much can we trust these ties? An important
part of contacting people via acquaintances we share is a level of built-in
trust that comes from mutually knowing a third party. But if users link to
people they barely know and those people link to others they barely know then
the ties are going to get extremely weak and little trust will flow through them
wiping away one of the core ideas behind the entire enterprise.

A bigger network is not always a better network. If the criteria for creating
ties between members is too unclear or becomes too diluted (what exactly
constitutes a "friend" on Friendster?) then the ties become close to
meaningless. And although you can still map someone's path to you, there is no
longer much reason to trust them or feel much affiliation to them any more than
the person sitting next to you in a cafe.

The apparent rush to sign up on Friendster reminds me of the enthusiasm with
which people started participating in various online discussions in the 1990s.
People would post all sorts of information and comments not realizing that these
would be available to large audiences. Along came better search engine indexing
and now these less-than-flattering comments made about college flings and
annoying coworkers are available to colleagues and supervisors at the click of a
button. Similarly, it seems, people are flocking to Friendster to share all
sorts of information with networks larger than they can imagine only to realize
in time - or so I suspect - that they shared more than they may have wanted and
madetthemselves available to more people than necessarily ideal. I realize it is
probably possible to delete an account, but that often only occurs to people
once some damage has been done.

I do not mean to sound paranoid and I do not mean to suggest that everyone
has all sorts of ghosts in their closet. It is simply that everyone has
different social roles and mixing these too much indiscriminately may lead to
some complications.

Often shared affiliation with a group or organization will be more helpful
than being able to link to someone through even just two or three degrees of
connections. Anyone who has relied on alum ties can attest to this. The movie Legally
Blonde 2
presents a good example of this. The central character is able to
win the attention and support of an important political actor thanks to their
sorority ties identified via the rings they both wear.

Some schools have leveraged the importance of such ties quite well through
creating communities based on their alums. People in those groups may not know
each other but they share a group affiliation that may be important to many of
them. And although some may claim that such ties are elitist or irrelevant
because simply sharing an institutional affiliation won't make you best buddies
with someone (true), it would be hard to argue that even two or three degrees of
separation from a person via very tangential "friendship" ties has much larger
chances of mutual understanding and support.

Maybe they call it "six degrees of separation" for a
reason.

Welcome to

the Introvertster.
Now that's more like it! ;o)
This one less funny.

Getting confused because ...

there seem to be so many sites and so many protocols. I think I will stay on LinkedIn and see what happens.

why I hate these services (currently)

B, you will no doubt notice that I have totally ceased all activity on the social software front. Reason: there are too freaking many of them that offer the exact same thing and require me to annoy the same people over and over again as I search for the uber service that will actually grab my attention enough to *use it* on a daily basis. No offence dude, I don't mind testing these out when you enrol me, but most folks I know don't even think of using these types of services in the first place!

This is a (niche) market that desperately needs unification on the standards front. Or a standard in general. I want the Jabber of social web softs. I want to be able to create *one* profile on *any* service. Then and only then, I will get my friends, colleagues, etc to sign up *once* so that they can then use whatever service they prefer.

Consolidation has happened on the IM (instant messaging) front (Trillian/GAIM/Fire.app) so why can't the same happen for Social Linking software? The business plans for these companies is questionable enough that they should make the database API open and compete on presentation and such.

Or I might just be bitter; hard to say.

consolidation Evan?

This is the same guy that would not add the jabber authentication module to his Drupal site. LOL.

I am honest about it!

Jabber in my mind is totally different from blogging. Jabber != Blog.

I have never been a big fan of Jabber but I respect what they do and the open format.

Btw, boris has this enabled and you still don't log in there lllllloyd. ;)

Jabber to use FOAF

Looks like Jabber might adopt FOAF. JMy jabber server doesn't seem to want to work right now. Have to futz with it a bit, I guess...

Agreed...but wait

Totally agree, Evan. That's why I haven't been bombarding people with invites. I did that with LinkedIn, and then my web "got polluted".

There are many folks talking about consolidation, usually using FOAF -- it's short for Friend-of-a-Friend -- which is an XML/RDF-based format. I personally hate it, but it doesn't look like there is anything else.

It's not really a "market" at all at this point. It's not just profiles, because it's also about what we're doing here -- linking to each other's sites, discussing, etc. So somehow blogs/personal websites figure in as well. And IM. It would be scary if MS leveraged their "buddylists" to hijack any developing standard...

We don't know what business plans these companies have at this point. I personally think that there is some business for enterprises/corporations internal use -- kind of a profile page that lists skills, projects currently working on, connections between people across the company, etc. etc. I've put some thought into these concepts, but I don't really feel like writing about them more until I have somewhere useful to put them (read: somebody that pays me money).

And yes, you are bitter.

most of the people I know who actively use

social sites use them to find dates. They get utterly addicted to it.

Rejecting Marc Canter

I just rejected Marc Canter on Tribe.net...this can't be a good thing :p

Sorry, Marc -- hopefully the rest of this post makes some sense.

Mark Granovetter's

The Strength of Weak Links...

Related to the posting above, I would like to add the following bit of research on the "Strength of Weak Networks"...

The Strength of Weak Ties

How do people find out about jobs? Are relatives, close
friends, acquaintances, employment agencies, or newspaper
advertisements the most useful sources about jobs? Mark
Granovetter, a sociology graduate student, tried to answer this
question in his Ph.D research. He interviewed about 100 and sent
questionnaires to about 200 people in the Boston area who had
changed jobs or recently been employed. All of these were what
he called "professional, technical, or managerial" workers; they
were not blue collar workers.
Granovetter was interested in how his respondents found out
about their current jobs. Economists like to assume that buyers
and sellers in the marketplace, including the marketplace for
labor, have "perfect information." This means that all workers
know about all the job possibilities for which they are
qualified. Such a model might be not too unreasonable if most
workers found their jobs through advertisements or through
employment agencies. However, Granovetter found that more than
half found out about the job opening that lead to their current
employment through personal contacts; they knew someone who knew
about the job opening. Specifically, 56% found their current job
through personnel contacts, only 19% through advertisements or
employment agencies, and 19% through direct application to the
firm that hired them (the remaining 7% used other methods or did
not answer the question).
Thus, not surprisingly, the model used by economists is
misleading. The information people possess about job
possibilities is affected by their placement within networks.

So maybe the connections made in LinkedIn would be useful at some point.

Interesting

Interesting research, Gaurav -- do you have a source URL?

Unfortunately, I see networks like LinkedIn becoming useless if they are flooded with people that are too far removed. I spent some more time poking around, and you can actually now sort by "connectedness" -- i.e. how many degrees people are away from you -- which is most helpful. I think 2 or 3 degrees would be my max, and even 3 degrees would seem quite distant if I didn't know the 2nd degree very well.

I also just signed up for Tribe.net -- you can see my profile. Contact me if you want to be linked in.

The other "useless factor" that I see with some of these sites is that there is nothing bring people back. Sure, there are searches and other criteria you can put down, and people might just contact you, but...not really. An example -- see my Zerendipity profile: because I haven't added any more information, I am listed as "100% Out of date". This is ridiculous! I make a profile, and just because I don't go back, I'm listed as out of date?!? And I was there on June 20th, so it's not like it's been months... (yes, I have passed this feedback on).

So, there has to be something interactive, something that keeps people coming back to profiles, and hopefully even something that will drag people in from elsewhere to check a profile. If a profile isn't useful in some way, especially to people who aren't web savvy (although the early adopters are almost more important to capture as well), people will stop using them/lose interest. I have an idea that will help here, and I've passed it on to the Zerendipity folks, but they didn't seem interested, or at least haven't implemented it yet. I'm going to give them some time, because our conversation was private, then I'm going to "open source" the idea.

Tribe.net has overcome this staleness/static factor of profiles somewhat with discussion lists and other interactive factors -- in other words, more community-based, more interactivity -- a reason to come back, to keep your profile fresh.

Enough said for now. I'm still interested in this social software stuff. I'm officially anointing it the Next Big Thing(tm).